Major Donald Keyhoe interview, 1/3

Transcript from 01:32

 

WALLACE: And now to our story. Major Donald Keyhoe is the director of the National Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomena. As head of this private group, interested in flying saucers, he’s repeatedly attacked the United States Air Force, and others, for claiming that flying saucers are apparently flight of fancy and not flights by Martians or men from the moon. Independent surveys show that millions of Americans do share his believe in these celestial saucers.

Major Keyhoe, first of all, let me ask you this; most people in the United States, in spite of the fact that I said that millions do believe, I think you will agree that most people in the United States don’t believe in flying saucers from outer space. They probably hold the view of columnist Bob Considine, who wrote that flying saucers are products of, for the most part, quote “pranksters, half-wits, cranks, publicity hounds, fanatics in general and screwballs” end quote. How do you feel about Mr. Considine’s charge?

KEYHOE: Well, I know where he got the story; he got it from Colonel Watson out at the Air Technical Intelligence Center in Dayton. In fact, the colonel went even a little further and he said that behind every sighting was an idiot, a crackpot or religious fanatic. That included a lot of high-ranking Air Force pilots, incidentally, and many airline captains, people who are qualified to see these things. But, he’s just following on Air Force policy.

WALLACE: Well now, you’re not suggesting that Bob Considine is in the pay of the Air Force; he’s an independent newsman with a considerable reputation.

KEYHOE: No, I mean the colonel, I mean the colonel. No, I have a only respect for Bob Considine.

WALLACE: In spite of the fact that he suggests that pranksters, half-wits and screwballs are responsible for the stories about flying saucers.

KEYHOE: Well, I wish I could show him, at anytime, a list of about 800 witnesses, some of the big names of aviation including, up to the rank of colonel in the Air Force. They’re still flying, and they’re still carrying passengers; they’ve never been grounded. They’re still guiding airliners in the radar men are, night after night in bad weather. If they’re screwballs and incompetents, why are they still on the job?

WALLACE: Major Keyhoe, where do you think flying saucers are coming from?

KEYHOE: I don’t know. There is an indication that they could be using Mars as a base. I don’t mean they originate right there, but every time Mars has approached us, in the last ten years, there’s been a noticeable increase in saucer sightings. And that’s been mentioned officially. In fact, the Canadian official project, on the basis of that, set up an observation station in Canada.

WALLACE: You say the Canadian official project, what do you mean by the official…?

KEYHOE: There was an official project called “Project Magnet,” and they set up an observatory at Shirley Bay to try to track these things. And…

WALLACE: What happened to the official project? You say there was a project.

KEYHOE: Yes. They ran for about a year and they had one sighting on the gravimeter, which indicated that something… a very large object had flow over there, but they finally decided that they were spending a little bit much money on that, I suppose.

WALLACE: For certain, they wouldn’t have thought that they were spending too much money on it, if they believed that that kind of phenomena existed.

KEYHOE: A lot of people on the project are still working up there on their own time and certain government officials have still kept the lid on the reports in Canada, just as they do down here.

WALLACE: What is your theory…? In other words, you suggest that they come from Mars or from other planets, from other solar systems, possibly, throughout the universe. Is that correct?

KEYHOE: Yes, and there’re a lot of scientists who’ve said the same thing.

WALLACE: What is your theory as to the kind of people who fly these… or the kind of beings who fly these saucers?

KEYHOE: Well, that’s speculation; Willy Ley said recently that it would be like the man next door, the invaders from space, and his reasons, may be good. But most of the top scientists have said that the odds are that beings from other worlds would not be like us; some of them would be. Dr. Howard Shafly, for instance, said that there probably were at least a hundred million inhabited planets in the universe. And the Mansel, who doesn’t believe in saucers, at all, says, that he goes at higher — even higher. And among those, by –there must, be- the law of averages. —, There is a certain number of planets that would be like the earth, and if evolution started the same time, you might have the same type of being.

WALLACE: What you think of the intentions of these people — for lack of a better name — of these people who are in these flying saucers?

KEYHOE: Well, there’s been no evidence of any hostility during the last 10 years, for what we call the modern face, there have been sighting before then. There had have been some accidents; air force pilots chasing these things; kept a man until he was killed chasing, one in ’48 and two pilots disappeared chasing one in ’53 over Lake Superior. But, I think those are just accidents.

WALLACE: Just accidents. Why don’t they try to communicate with us? What’s your theory about that?

KEYHOE: Well, I’ll follow some of the theories the Air Forces people have said… they suggested to me back in ’52 and ’53, at which time we were cooperating–, I had a lot of very good friends in the Air Force at that time– and the policy was to give out the information –. They were about to tell the people everything they had. And the theory was then that perhaps these beings were so much different from us that communication would be a very hard thing; they might not, for instance, have speech sounds like ours. That’s one answer. And another thing: they might not be able to exist in our atmosphere. We’re going to land on the moon, we’ll have to wear space suits, or else build air-conditioned buildings up there air pressured. And there could be lots of factors like that.

WALLACE: Well, do you think they’re down here, when we do see them, to look at us?

KEYHOE: I think that it’s probably a long-range survey.

WALLACE: A long-range survey?

KEYHOE: That’s right.

WALLACE: And yet, no attempt, as far as we know in any case, of communication with us.

KEYHOE: There have been claims of communication, but those, most of those, have been by individuals. The Air Force has not admitted that there’s ever been one and I don’t know… our committee hasn’t found any cases that we would accept as absolutly verified.

WALLACE: All right. Now, let’s go at it from another point of view, if I may, the Air Force point of view. They agree, undoubtedly, objects have been seen in the sky, but the Air Force has said time and time again –, this is a quote from Richard Horner, assistant secretary of the Air Force for research and development –, “All, but a small percentage of these reports — of unidentified flying objects — have been definitely attributed to natural phenomena that are neither mysterious nor dire.” End quote. Weather balloons, mirages, ordinary sky phenomena like meteors or airplanes themselves. What about that?

KEYHOE: I’ll answer that, but I’d like to make several points in doing it. In 1947, the Air Technical Intelligence Center at Dayton, that’s the top Air Force intelligence men and scientists under contract, sent the secret documents to the Commanding General of the Air Force, saying that whatever of these things were, they were real. In 1948, ATIC, the same group, sent a top-secret estimate to the Commanding General, Roy Vandenburg, that these were interplanetary spaceships.

 


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