Brigadier General Stephen Lovekin

dijous, 20/12/2018

Who is Stephen Lovekin?

One of Michael Salla’s favourite “whistleblowers” is Stephen Lovekin. Lovekin was one of Steven Greer’s Disclosure witnesses, and will be appearing at Salla’s June 2006 Extraterrestrial Civilization & World Peace Conference. Here is what Salla says about Lovekin: “Brig. General Stephen Lovekin who testified in the Disclosure Project also had important things to share about the Eisenhower administration’s loss of control over ET affairs.”




The aim of this blog is to present to the public a ‘non-personal’ -and nonetheless suggestive, information that has already been released.

Gary Heseltine, debunker

dimecres, 19/12/2018

Gary Heseltine and Professional Debunker and Skeptic Chris French shout it out over the “Facts” of the Redlesham Forest UFO events, 1980 after a challenge laid down by Gary on the same show in Feb 2012.

Gary’s position in essence:- the events over the three nights were UFO Related. French states in essence the US military were clueless idiots who saw a lighthouse, one of the official Debunkers position. Nick Pope gets a slamming. They used a geiger counter in the wrong manner, showing doubt on the radiation measurements. These USAF Officers and men, who were in charge of an active Nuclear base in time of high alert are slandered by devbunkers as clueless and “mistaken” poor old sods who shouldn’t be allowed out without a minder. Both positions rigoressly defended, in a hot debate. Would Chris trust anyone who saw anything? On his logic, NO. Especially when they are in the services?

British Detective Constable Gary Heseltine

dimecres, 19/12/2018

Gary has been researching this subject since 2002. He has now amassed over 350 sightings between 1901 and 2008 involving over 700 British police officers. Gary’s presentation will comprise of a brief history of how his research began before giving a selection of the types of cases contained on his PRUFOS Police Database website i.e. radar/visual, close encounters. He will also comment on recent UFO/ET developments in the UK.

D.C. Gary Heseltine (ret) presented “The History of British Police UFO Sightings” at the 2nd Annual British Exopolitics Expo on Sunday August 8th, 2010 held at the University of Leeds.

PRUFOS Police Database

dimarts , 18/12/2018

Gary has been researching this subject since 2002. He has amassed over 350 sightings between 1901 and 2008 involving over 700 British police officers. Gary’s presentation will comprise of a brief history of how his research began before giving a selection of the types of cases contained on his PRUFOS Police Database website i.e. radar/visual, close encounters…

He will also comment on recent UFO/ET developments in the UK.

ON DUTY SIGHTINGS, 1986-2015 

 


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Police encounters

dimarts , 18/12/2018

BBC-NEWS,  8 March, 2003

Police close encounters revealed

A UFO

180 officers have reported sightings

Close encounters of the police kind have been revealed by a Yorkshire UFO-hunter.

A computer database set up for police to report UFO sightings has uncovered a series of incidents never before made public.

Detective constable Gary Heseltine, of the British Transport Police, launched the Police Reporting UFO Sightings (PRUFOS) database last year.

Since then Leeds-based Mr Heseltine has received details of 80 encounters from 180 serving and retired officers across the UK.

Unreported cases

In one incident a UFO was spotted by 17 police officers in five different locations.

Mr Heseltine said: “There is no doubt in my mind that many officers have never gone on to report sightings because they fear ridicule or perceive their careers might be harmed.

“I suspect that for every officer reporting a sighting, nine do not.

“If that figure is anywhere near accurate it would mean there are potentially hundreds of unreported cases.”




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Antofagasta, 7-5-2018

dilluns, 17/12/2018

Publicado: Miércoles, 10 de Octubre de 2018  | Periodista Digital: EFE

Seis aviones comerciales avistaron ovnis, en simultáneo, en Antofagasta

El fenómeno ocurrió el pasado 7 de mayo e involucró a cinco vuelos de LAN y uno de Copa.

Una de las aeronaves tuvo que desviarse por motivos de seguridad.

Seis aviones comerciales avistaron ovnis, en simultáneo, en Antofagasta

 Ceifac.
Los pilotos de al menos seis aviones comerciales -cinco de LAN y uno de Copa- denunciaron haber presenciado en los cielos de Antofagasta una serie de objetos voladores no identificados, hecho que fue reportado y documentado por el Centro de Investigación de Fenómenos Anómalos (Ceifac).

La agrupación publicó en YouTube un audio que narra la profunda e inquietante impresión que tuvieron algunos de los pilotos que surcaban los cielos antofagastinos el pasado 7 de mayo, según consignó el diario La Estrella de Antofagasta.

Hugo Camus, director del Comité de Estudios de Fenómenos Aéreos Anómalos, dependiente de la Dirección General de Aeronáutica Civil (DGAC), dijo que en el organismo conocen el caso, pero aún no han emitido un informe oficial: “Nuestros analistas están levantando la información meteorológica que había en esa madrugada y haciendo consultas si tenían vuelos institucionales a esa hora”.

En el registro, un piloto del vuelo COPA 174 comienza a narrar con énfasis “que a la altura del puesto Livor (un puesto de control que está ubicado en el cielo, a unos 380 kilómetros de la costa de Antofagasta) aparecen tres luces”.

“No tenemos reportado tráfico y no sabemos qué es”, advierte, para señalar casi de inmediato: “Al momento una luz desapareció”, cuenta.

Casi al mismo tiempo, la voz de un piloto desde el LAN 639 se contacta con la torre de control. “Posición, hacia abajo. Al parecer sobre el mar”, comenta, tratando de identificar lo que hay.

A su vez, el piloto del LAN 2473 responde que hay una luz. Otra voz que se escucha con ímpetu y que viene del LAN 79, anticipa que también observa la luz brillante.

“A nivel del mar, una luz muy pequeña, aparece y desaparece”, añade con énfasis.

“Se están acercando”

El piloto del Copa reaparece con fuerza en el audio para comentar que se ven tres luces a la izquierda de su posición.

Las luces se están moviendo y aumentan la intensidad y la disminuyen también. De hecho vamos a virar a la derecha porque parece que se están acercando“, avisa.

Un piloto de otro LAN, el 501, confirma que observó la luz, hecho que narra de inmediato al audio de los otros pilotos.

“Qué fenómeno más extraño”

El piloto del Copa cavila: “Qué fenómeno más extraño. Ahora tenemos tres luces en forma de triángulo”.

El LAN 577 situó las luces a unas 60 millas de Livor.

“Podrían ser unos 2.000 pies por debajo y distancia a unas 20 o 30 millas”, se escuchó decir.

En total fueron seis naves las que notificaron el extraño movimiento de luces y, según una voz que correspondería desde el Centro de Control Oceánico de Santiago, que al comunicarse con el Comando de Operaciones Aéreas le cuenta que una de las aeronaves se desvió incluso -aparentemente por seguridad- unas 30 millas.

 


 

Más de 600 avistamientos en Chile en siete décadas

Hasta ahora, el Cefaa de la Dirección General de Aeronáutica Civil (DGAC) que desde 20 años fue el primer organismo oficial en reconocer la detección en sus radares de un “extraño intruso en el espacio aéreo”, sin que pudiera identificarlo, no ha entregado un informe.

Tampoco se ha manifestado la Agrupación de Investigaciones Ovniológicas de Chile (AION).

Chile es considerado el quinto país del mundo con el mayor número de avistamientos de ovnis, después de Estados Unidos, Perú, Brasil y Rusia.

“En este país, especialmente en la región norte, se han comprobado durante los últimos 65 años, más de 600 avistamientos, y esta zona ha sido protagonista de casos realmente sorprendentes, incluido un contacto de los llamados del “tercer tipo” con un extraterrestre (contacto visual)”, consignó la agencia de noticias EFE.

Los avistamientos de platillos voladores “ya no resultan novedosos” y los expertos aseguran que 60 millones de personas en el mundo ya han sido testigos de este fenómeno, aunque por el temor al ridículo, sólo se informe de un 10 por ciento de estas experiencias, reseña la misma fuente.

Sin embargo, los expertos que manejan el llamado programa “Búsqueda de Inteligencia Extraterrestre” (SETI, en inglés) emprendido hace 18 años, cuya misión principal es captar señales de radio provenientes desde nuestra galaxia, señalan que nunca han recibido ninguna señal de vida inteligente.

Los pilotos de al menos seis aviones comerciales (cinco de LAN y uno de Copa) denunciaron haber presenciado en los cielos de Antofagasta una serie de objetos voladores no identificados, hecho que fue reportado y documentado por el Centro de Investigación de Fenómenos Anómalos (Ceifac).

 

 

Seis pilotos alertan

dilluns, 17/12/2018

El Centro de Investigación de Fenómenos Anómalos de Chile (Ceifac) publicó un video con las grabaciones de los aviadores. Por el movimiento de los objetos, uno de los vuelos tuvo que desviarse 20 millas de su recorrido, para garantizar la seguridad de los pasajeros.

Las voces de los pilotos lo dicen todo:

Copa 174: Tenemos las luces a la izquierda y al parecer una se está desapareciendo. Afirmativo, está al parecer a la misma altitud de nosotros

Al momento, no estuvo en Livor, porque están las luces ahí, no tenemos reportados tráfico y no sabemos qué es

Y al momento una luz desapareció, solo queda una

Lan 639: Santiago, Lan Chile 639, ¿nos puede indicar la identificación del tráfico que nos antecede?

ATC (Controlador de tránsito Aéreo)El tránsito que los antecede es el Lan Per 2473.

Lan 639: 2473 … eeeh, observa (…)

Lan 2473: Adelante para el 2473.

Lan 639: Posición, hacia abajo. Al parecer sobre el mar. ¿Podría identificar también otra luz?

Lan 2473: A ver atentos. Nosotros tenemos una luz a la vista, aproximadamente a las 4 de nuestra posición. Donde estaba la 2, ahora solo hay una.

Lan 79: Afirmativo, ahora veo claramente, un poco más hacia el sur de (…), a nivel del mar, una luz muy pequeña, aparece y desaparece

Lan 2473: exactamente

Copa 174: Copa 174, a Livor, 340 y ahora tenemos 3 luces. Estamos a la derecha de Livor 340 y las luces las tenemos a la izquierda, aproximadamente a las 10 de nuestra posición.

Las luces se están moviendo y aumentan la intensidad y la disminuyen también.

De hecho, vamos a virar a la derecha porque parece que se están acercando.

Luego de estos primeros eventos, la Torre de control decidió comunicarse con el Controlador de Tránsito Aéreo Oceánico, encargado de verificar el tráfico de aquellas naves que se desplazan sobre el mar, más allá de lo que alcanzan a cubrir los radares desde la tierra.

ATC: Muy buen día

ATC Oceánico: Buen día

ATC: Tiene una nota ahí con Ufos, a la cuadra de Livor

ATC Oceánico: Sí, está lleno de Ovnis allí.

ATC: ¿En serio?

ATC Oceánico: ¡Claro! Por eso se desvió tanto el Copa y el Lan 639 y el 2473 también los vieron.

ATC: ¡Jaja! ¡Qué buena!

Puede ver: Las luces en el cielo que hicieron pensar en ovnis en Bogotá

Minutos después, más vuelos presenciaron las mismas 3 singulares luces.

Lan 501: Santiago, Lan Chile 501, posición en espera a las 08 11, nivel de vuelo 370, estimando Livor a las 08 32 sigue Sulna. Y tenemos en esta posición la luz a la 1 de nuestra posición, alrededor de la cuadra de Livor.

Copa 174: Que fenómeno más extraño. Ahora tenemos 3 luces en forma de triángulo.

Lan 577: Santiago Lan Chile 577 posición Livor, a las 08 34. Siguiente Sulna a las 08 12. Siguiente Livor a las 08 34.

Notificaremos Livor.

ATC: ¿Lan Chile 646 oceánico?

Lan 501: Lan Chile 501 y ahí está, apareció la tercera luz.

Lan 577: Sí, a unas 60 millas de Livor y confirmamos también (…) Sí, entre las 2 y las 3.

Podrían ser unos 2 mil pies por debajo y distancia unas 20 o 30 millas.

Lan 501: Afirmativo, las tenemos en este momento casi a las 3. una más intensa que la otra y, son 2 luces.

La torre de control optó por informar a otra autoridad aeronáutica los hechos.

ATC: Señor buen día, de acá del Centro de Control Oceánico en Santiago.

COA: Buenos días

ATC: Buenos días, lo que pasa es que hay una situación bastante extraña en el sector de Livor. En la aerovía, Live For Lima, 780 hay unas 5,6 aeronaves que han notificado movimiento de luces. 2, 4 hasta 4 luces en ese sector, al Este. Al Weste del sector Livor, a nivel o más bajo que ellos.

Y todavía se mantiene esa situación, pasaron 3 aeronaves que notificaron eso. De hecho, una aeronave se desvió 20 millas para evitar.

A una altura de 32 mil aproximadamente

Ahora, hay 2 tráficos que vienen por la misma aerovía desde Estados Unidos y están sobrevolando el sector y también los tienen a la vista a las 2 o a las 3; sobre el mar.

COA: ¿En el sector de Livor?

ATC: Claro, y no hay tráfico. El tráfico que tenemos nosotros lo tenemos controlado. Pero esas luces que evolucionan ahí, en el radar nosotros no las podemos ver.

El fenómeno continuó durante más de media hora. De allí que el ATC prefirió advertir al COA para “evitar cualquier cosa”

Lan Chile 501: En esta posición tenemos las luces a las 4.

Vuelo COPA 174

dilluns, 17/12/2018

IGNACIO ARAYA, 10.10.2018

¿Ovnis en la noche?: investigan misteriosas luces vistas por pilotos

Ufólogos recibieron información de 6 aviones que vieron luces que ni siquiera las detectó el radar cerca de un control aéreo ubicado a unos 380 km de Antofagasta. El CEIFAA de la DGAC entrevistará a las tripulaciones de los aviones para investigar.

Un extraño fenómeno ocurrido en los cielos de la región de Antofagasta fue reportado y documentado recientemente por el Centro de Investigación de Fenómenos Anómalos (Ceifac).

La agrupación publicó en Youtube un audio que narra la profunda impresión que tuvieron algunos pilotos de avión que surcaban los cielos en la madrugada del 7 de mayo pasado, cuando comenzaron a ver luces de indeterminado origen que nunca supieron qué era, y que hasta el Comité de Estudios de Fenómenos Anómalos de la Dirección General de Aeronaútica Civil (DGAC) está estudiando.

En el audio, se reproduce un diálogo que comienza con la voz que correspondería a un piloto del vuelo COPA 174, que cuenta que a la altura del puesto Livor (un puesto de control que está ubicado en el cielo, a unos 380 kilómetros de la costa de Antofagasta) aparecen tres luces. “No tenemos reportado tráfico y no sabemos qué es”, dice. “Al momento una luz desapareció, solo queda una”, cuenta.

Otra voz que vendría desde el LAN 639, se contacta con la torre de control. “Posición, hacia abajo. Al parecer sobre el mar”, dice tratando de identificar lo que hay. El LAN 2473 responde que hay una luz. Otra voz, que saldría del LAN 79, también ve la luz. “A nivel del mar, una luz muy pequeña, aparece y desaparece”.

El COPA 174 dice al rato que se ven tres luces a la izquierda de su posición. “Las luces se están moviendo y aumentan la intensidad y la disminuyen también (…) De hecho vamos a virar a la derecha porque parece que se están acercando”. LAN 501 confirma una luz también, narra el audio. El piloto del COPA 174 reflexiona: “Qué fenómeno más extraño. Ahora tenemos tres luces en forma de triángulo”.

LAN 577 habría ubicado las luces a unas 60 millas de Livor. “Podrían ser unos 2 mil pies por debajo y distancia a unas 20 o 30 millas”, se escucha. En total, seis naves notificaron el extraño movimiento de luces y, según una voz que correspondería desde el Centro de Control Oceánico de Santiago, que al comunicarse con el Comando de Operaciones Aéreas le cuenta que una de las aeronaves se desvió unas 30 millas incluso.

Investigación

El investigador Eliseo Ibaca muestra una fotografía que alcanzó a tomar uno de los pilotos. “Este es uno de los casos de reportes de fenómenos aéreos anómalos más interesantes que tenemos en nuestra región en el último tiempo, por el hecho que los testigos son personas con experiencia en vuelo, manejan un conocimiento técnico y aeronáutico que las hace discernir cualquier fenómeno natural o aeronave, de un fenómeno que no tenga explicación, por lo cual su testimonio es confiable”.

El material fue enviado inicialmente al investigador Víctor Toloza, director de la agrupación Ceifac en Temuco. Luego fue remitido a Antofagasta para su investigación por parte de la sede local. “Nosotros empezamos a estudiar este caso en secreto desde mayo y ahora hace poco lo publicamos porque igual tuvimos que verificar ciertas cosas”, explica Ibaca.

Este audio -que se puede buscar en Youtube con el nombre de “Caso Livor”- fue obtenido por, dice Ibaca, contactos anónimos que tienen relación con personal de aeronáutica. ¿A qué pueden corresponder estas luces? Ibaca, también Licenciado en Educación de la U. de Concepción, explica que una hipótesis es que sea de luces de embarcaciones mayores, que debido a los cambios de la densidad del aire, crearían una refracción de la luz que terminan siendo una ilusión óptica. Sin embargo, como dice uno de los pilotos, estas luces se movían formando un triángulo, lo que no se condice con los barcos que uno: no emiten sus luces hacia el cielo y dos: no son invisibles al radar.

La decisión de revelar este caso obedece a, según el investigador de Ceifac, que hace un tiempo atrás se filtró el audio en Perú dando nombres de personas -lo cual no corresponde, dice Ibaca- y faltando a protocolos. Desde Temuco, Víctor Toloza dice que el caso queda abierto mientras no se compruebe qué pasó. “Todavía existe posibilidad de averiguar un poco más, sobre todo a través de contactos que tenemos por dentro”, explica Toloza, señalando que se está investigando si es que salieron aviones cazas interceptores para saber si es que también vieron las luces.

“Solamente tenemos que generar conciencia y permitirnos un tiempo mínimo de nuestra vida para observar el cielo, así se comienza toda investigación, por medio de la observación”, reflexiona el investigador Eliseo Ibaca.

Ceifaa

En tanto, el director del Comité de Estudios de Fenómenos Aéreos Anómalos de la DGAC, Hugo Camus, dijo que también han recibido información de este caso, pero que se está a la espera de lograr entrevistar a la tripulación del COPA para conocer más antecedentes. “Nuestros analistas están levantando la información meteorológica que había en esa madrugada y haciendo consultas si tenían vuelos institucionales a esa hora”.

Asimismo, explicó que desde el año 1997, cuando se creó esta unidad especial, se han investigado más de 800 casos de fenómenos anómalos, pero el 72% termina teniendo explicación. Por ejemplo, de confusiones con el planeta Venus, la Estación Espacial Internacional, satélites, reflejos de la cámara, insectos, chatarra espacial… entre otros. “Nosotros apoyamos a los diferentes servicios de la DGAC para mantener los altos estándares de seguridad aérea, nuestro objetivo no es buscar naves procedentes de otros planetas”, dijo.

 


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Donald E. Keyhoe (full length interview )

diumenge, 16/12/2018

Major Donald E. Keyhoe, 3/8/58

 Transcrip from 02:17

WALLACE: And now to our story. Major Donald Keyhoe is the director of the National Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomena. As head of this private group, interested in flying saucers, he’s repeatedly attacked the United States Air Force, and others, for claiming that flying saucers are apparently flight of fancy and not flights by Martians or men from the moon. Independent surveys show that millions of Americans do share his believe in these celestial saucers.

Major Keyhoe, first of all, let me ask you this; most people in the United States, in spite of the fact that I said that millions do believe, I think you will agree that most people in the United States don’t believe in flying saucers from outer space. They probably hold the view of columnist Bob Considine, who wrote that flying saucers are products of, for the most part, quote “pranksters, half-wits, cranks, publicity hounds, fanatics in general and screwballs” end quote. How do you feel about Mr. Considine’s charge?

KEYHOE: Well, I know where he got the story; he got it from Colonel Watson out at the Air Technical Intelligence Center in Dayton. In fact, the colonel went even a little further and he said that behind every sighting was an idiot, a crackpot or religious fanatic. That included a lot of high-ranking Air Force pilots, incidentally, and many airline captains, people who are qualified to see these things. But, he’s just following on Air Force policy.

WALLACE: Well now, you’re not suggesting that Bob Considine is in the pay of the Air Force; he’s an independent newsman with a considerable reputation.

KEYHOE: No, I mean the colonel, I mean the colonel. No, I have a only respect for Bob Considine.

WALLACE: In spite of the fact that he suggests that pranksters, half-wits and screwballs are responsible for the stories about flying saucers.

KEYHOE: Well, I wish I could show him, at anytime, a list of about 800 witnesses, some of the big names of aviation including, up to the rank of colonel in the Air Force. They’re still flying, and they’re still carrying passengers; they’ve never been grounded. They’re still guiding airliners in the radar men are, night after night in bad weather. If they’re screwballs and incompetents, why are they still on the job?

WALLACE: Major Keyhoe, where do you think flying saucers are coming from?

KEYHOE: I don’t know. There is an indication that they could be using Mars as a base. I don’t mean they originate right there, but every time Mars has approached us, in the last ten years, there’s been a noticeable increase in saucer sightings. And that’s been mentioned officially. In fact, the Canadian official project, on the basis of that, set up an observation station in Canada.

WALLACE: You say the Canadian official project, what do you mean by the official…?

KEYHOE: There was an official project called “Project Magnet,” and they set up an observatory at Shirley Bay to try to track these things. And…

WALLACE: What happened to the official project? You say there was a project.

KEYHOE: Yes. They ran for about a year and they had one sighting on the gravimeter, which indicated that something… a very large object had flow over there, but they finally decided that they were spending a little bit much money on that, I suppose.

WALLACE: For certain, they wouldn’t have thought that they were spending too much money on it, if they believed that that kind of phenomena existed.

KEYHOE: A lot of people on the project are still working up there on their own time and certain government officials have still kept the lid on the reports in Canada, just as they do down here.

WALLACE: What is your theory…? In other words, you suggest that they come from Mars or from other planets, from other solar systems, possibly, throughout the universe. Is that correct?

KEYHOE: Yes, and there’re a lot of scientists who’ve said the same thing.

WALLACE: What is your theory as to the kind of people who fly these… or the kind of beings who fly these saucers?

KEYHOE: Well, that’s speculation; Willy Ley said recently that it would be like the man next door, the invaders from space, and his reasons, may be good. But most of the top scientists have said that the odds are that beings from other worlds would not be like us; some of them would be. Dr. Howard Shafly, for instance, said that there probably were at least a hundred million inhabited planets in the universe. And the Mansel, who doesn’t believe in saucers, at all, says, that he goes at higher — even higher. And among those, by –there must, be- the law of averages. —, There is a certain number of planets that would be like the earth, and if evolution started the same time, you might have the same type of being.

WALLACE: What you think of the intentions of these people — for lack of a better name — of these people who are in these flying saucers?

KEYHOE: Well, there’s been no evidence of any hostility during the last 10 years, for what we call the modern face, there have been sighting before then. There had have been some accidents; air force pilots chasing these things; kept a man until he was killed chasing, one in ’48 and two pilots disappeared chasing one in ’53 over Lake Superior. But, I think those are just accidents.

WALLACE: Just accidents. Why don’t they try to communicate with us? What’s your theory about that?

KEYHOE: Well, I’ll follow some of the theories the Air Forces people have said… they suggested to me back in ’52 and ’53, at which time we were cooperating–, I had a lot of very good friends in the Air Force at that time– and the policy was to give out the information –. They were about to tell the people everything they had. And the theory was then that perhaps these beings were so much different from us that communication would be a very hard thing; they might not, for instance, have speech sounds like ours. That’s one answer. And another thing: they might not be able to exist in our atmosphere. We’re going to land on the moon, we’ll have to wear space suits, or else build air-conditioned buildings up there air pressured. And there could be lots of factors like that.

WALLACE: Well, do you think they’re down here, when we do see them, to look at us?

KEYHOE: I think that it’s probably a long-range survey.

WALLACE: A long-range survey?

KEYHOE: That’s right.

WALLACE: And yet, no attempt, as far as we know in any case, of communication with us.

KEYHOE: There have been claims of communication, but those, most of those, have been by individuals. The Air Force has not admitted that there’s ever been one and I don’t know… our committee hasn’t found any cases that we would accept as absolutly verified.

WALLACE: All right. Now, let’s go at it from another point of view, if I may, the Air Force point of view. They agree, undoubtedly, objects have been seen in the sky, but the Air Force has said time and time again –, this is a quote from Richard Horner, assistant secretary of the Air Force for research and development –, “All, but a small percentage of these reports — of unidentified flying objects — have been definitely attributed to natural phenomena that are neither mysterious nor dire.” End quote. Weather balloons, mirages, ordinary sky phenomena like meteors or airplanes themselves. What about that?

KEYHOE: I’ll answer that, but I’d like to make several points in doing it. In 1947, the Air Technical Intelligence Center at Dayton, that’s the top Air Force intelligence men and scientists under contract, sent the secret documents to the Commanding General of the Air Force, saying that whatever of these things were, they were real. In 1948, ATIC, the same group, sent a top-secret estimate to the Commanding General, Roy Vandenburg, that these were interplanetary spaceships.

In 1952, there was an intelligence analysis of the maneuvers of these things, as seen by radar, triangulation, radar photographs. And in ’53, the Central Intelligence Agency and the Air Force had a special panel of scientists meet at the Pentagon, to tell them what to do. And after they got through, this group said, “You don’t have proof that these things exist, not scientific proof, but you have a very strong circumstantial case.

We suggest you quadruple investigations, set up special observation posts and in the meantime release everything you got the American people.” Now, you’ve got four documents there; they’ve been sitting on all this time. Now, that… and they have been spending a lot of money investigating flying saucers. If they don’t exist, why the money… why did the intelligence team rush out every time there’s a sighting?

WALLACE: Now then, you have mentioned four documents that you claim exist. We’ve heard, in the past, that you have claimed that these documents existed. We’ve seen your literature in which you talk about the existence of those documents. So, we spoke with the Air Technical Intelligence Center at the Pentagon earlier with this week, and this is what we’re told officially by them, “Three of the four documents Major Keyhoe refers to, simply do not exist.

The fourth document does exist, you can have a copy of it, Mr. Wallace, and you can see that it doesn’t say what Major Keyhoe claims it says.” We have a copy of it and I quote to you from the copy. The Air Force document says just this, “The panel recommends that the national security agencies take immediate steps to strip the UFOs of the special status they have been given and the aura of mystery they have unfortunately acquired.

We suggest an integrated program designed to reassure the public of the total lack of evidence of inimical forces behind the phenomena.” And again, as I point out, secretary Horner says it’s simply ain’t so. Now, why? The point really at issue here, it would seem, Major Keyhoe, is this: Why do you believe that the Air Force says that nothing is going on? Why do you believe that the…? It’s a fairly serious charge that you make.

KEYHOE: I know it is.

WALLACE: You make the charge that the United States government is withholding from the people of the United States certain very important information. Why? What would their motive be for withholding that kind of information from us?

KEYHOE: Well, I’ll answer that, but I’d also like to show you some proofs that they are withholding it. The reason was given to me when they were working with me back in ’52 and ’53; it was first that they were afraid of hysteria. Remember the Orson Welles show-back… way years back, when he scared people in the hills with the…

WALLACE: I do.

KEYHOE: …idea of invading Martians. Then, they were also afraid that it would upset organized religion, that was a smaller factor, but there was some fear of it. Later, they were afraid that these accidents when the interceptors had chased these things and had been lost or had crashed, might be considered a proof of hostility. Now, I would never have put my name on anything if it were a matter of a personal opinion.

I’ve talked to, and read the reports of, hundreds of pilots and radar men, guided missile trackers, who’ve seen these things. And some of them are very more important names. The Air Force says that they’ve (…) this down to 1.9 percent, but you noticed the word current in there, they mean we are currently explaining.

Now, I have in my possession a copy of the special report fourteen, which is their Bible on this. In the back, it has a table showing that of thirty-two hundred and one cases they examined, nineteen and a half percent were unsolved. And they admit they still are unsolved. You add up what they’ve had since then; it makes over twelve percent of the reports and those are mostly from the best possible sources.

WALLACE: Well now, wait just a second; I’ll use your figures. The Department of Defense released an official bulletin on November 5, 1957, saying that from June of ’55 to June of ’57, a two-year period, just a fraction over two percent of all investigated unidentified flying objects had to be listed as unknown. Two percent, so that’s your one point nine…

KEYHOE: What’s the period, again?

WALLACE: ’55 to ’57. The rest were determined to have been balloons, airplanes, hoaxes, and a category about 12 percent, called insufficient information, which means that the report was so flimsy that there was simply nothing to check on. I must confess that they have… they’ve certainly shown me no classified material, but they have opened their files quite willingly to us in our preparation for this program tonight, and they’ve given us very convincing evidence, Major Keyhoe, that it is largely… I shouldn’t say largely, I’ll say ninety-nine and forty-four, one-hundred percent, a hoax. Now, you mentioned…

KEYHOE: A hoax?

WALLACE: Well, let… when I say a hoax…

KEYHOE: Are you saying a lot of good pilots, hoax?

WALLACE: No, no, no, not hoax, just… I thank you for correcting me, not just a hoax, but, let’s say, misinformation or sightings of objects which seem to be one thing but are, in fact, another. I’m glad that you corrected me about hoax, because it is, by no means, that much a hoax. But, you mentioned that Dr. Donald Menzel, who was a professor of Astrophysics at Harvard before. Now, I think you will agree that he’s one of the world’s most distinguished astrophysicists. Is that not so?

KEYHOE: I think there are others who are equally capable, but, do not agree with him.

WALLACE: He is one of the world’s most distinguished astrophysicists; though, I think we can agree on that. In any case, he stresses, you see, that pilots are not experts of —, that they, as well, as others, can see flying saucers when it’s only, to quote him, “the wrapper of somebody’s lunch moving around on the air” end quote. But, again, let’s come back to the point… the most important point, Major Keyhoe, and that is, why, why will the Air Force…? Why will the United States government withhold information from United States citizens? For what reason?

KEYHOE: Because they’re treating us like children, the way they did it with the H-Bomb at first, and the way they’ve been doing with other things. Now, I’m not attacking the United States Air Force. I’m attacking a small group in there that has been persistently keeping this from the public, just as they’ve kept other things. For a long time you couldn’t even mention the idea that we could be hit by missiles from submarines from the gulf or from both coasts very easily.

I knew that years and years ago and tried to get it out, but at the time was discouraged about it. Now then, you mentioned this… that this denial of these documents. Now, I’d like to tell you something that happened on the Armstrong Circle Theatre. I had requested that those points be in the script and I was discouraged from it at, first by their writer. Then later, some of our board of governors insisted that we had those points included.

So I said, “Either, I don’t go on or we have those in there.” They said all right. So the script was completely rewritten. Now those were in the script as it was first rehearsed. But when the second rehearsal, came along and the Air Force saw the mimeograph sheet there with Air Force representatives, but according to Armstrong’s writer said, they would immediately deny it on the air, even though it meant denouncing their own former project chief.

Now, the source for this is Captain Edward Ruppelt, who was the head of Project Blue Book for two years. And at that time he was considered good enough that he briefed President Truman on these things. He was the top man, rank didn’t mean anything, it was the experience that counted. All right, he says these things existed; he put it in a book which was cleared by Security and Review, in the Air Force.

On December 5, 1955, that was cleared. It’s in his book;. He has never been hauled in a court-martial. Now, I have here, and if you’d allow your camera to come in on it; this is a sheet from the script of the Armstrong Theater, which was deleted. This was crossed off, and I was told that I couldn’t say it on the air. Now that was censorship by intimidation. This can be matched up with the other sheets from the Armstrong Circle script and any typewriter expert will show you that… They ordered to take it out.

WALLACE: I’m certain that people believe you; the only thing is that, the next morning, I do distinctly remember reading a report by you, Major Keyhoe, to the effect that no censorship, no pressure of any kind had been put upon you.

KEYHOE: I’m sorry, Mr. Wallace, that… I know that statement almost by heart. I said that CBS and the Armstrong people were not to blame for cutting me off the air when I tried to mention the fact that at Senate Committee was working on the secrecy angle. I never mentioned this that night to anyone because I had promised that I wouldn’t say anything about on the air that… to the Armstrong people. It was taken out and I will do this: I will ask the United States Air Force to have the Marine Corps put me on active duty for a court-martial if that is not the case.

WALLACE: Major Keyhoe, I understand you have three new reports on file which in your opinion… you have them currently on file, they’re new reports. These, in your opinion, would convince every person in this country that flying saucers are a fact. Is that correct?

KEYHOE: It should convince a lot of people because of the names involved.

WALLACE: Tell us about it.

KEYHOE: I told your interviewer or in Washington that I couldn’t mention the names because they were too high; one of them is a top scientist in this country, whose name would be known to everybody.

WALLACE: But, why wouldn’t he want his…?

KEYHOE: Because he’s afraid of official ridicule.

WALLACE: He’s afraid of official ridicule?

KEYHOE: That’s right.

WALLACE: More afraid of official ridicule than a possibly alerting the country to a serious national danger?

KEYHOE: You’d be surprised how many people give us reports and they say, “Please keep my name confidential.” I’ll give you one report which came to us, the name has to be left out. In 1951 a UFO circled the fleet in Korean waters. It circled it at a high-speed and they launched several planes to try to get a close in on it. They got a radar lock on it, that is the radar was guiding the planes toward the object. This was picked up by radars on fourteen naval vessels. This object circled about… oh, for a half an hour more and then it took off at a speed way over an excessive a thousand miles an hour.

This report was certified and nine members of our board of government saw it, signed it, and agreed that they had seen it, and agreed to the content, too. There is another report that just came in from four top missiles designers or engineers at one of the big plants in this country. They saw an elliptical shaped object and two small round disk shaped objects flying with it over California, November 11, 1957, at a speed of at least five thousand miles an hour. These men are well-qualified; they know what they see, with broad daylight, not a cloud in the sky. There’ve been cases, even where the Air Force has shot at these things. Now, if there’s nothing there and, they don’t exist, why do they shoot at them?

You mentioned Mr. Horner. The day after Mr. Horner said that the Air Force was not concealing anything, Captain Gregory Oldenburg, a public information officer at Langley Field, refused to let an ad be inserted in the Langley Base Flier… their newspaper, which asked that anybody interested in UFOs, please communicate and form a little group. He said, “I must refuse to do this, because the dissemination of information on UFOs is contrary to Air Force policy and Air Force regulation 200 dash 2 and I have a copy of it here, in case you want to see it.

WALLACE: Well, Major Keyhoe, I must say that the Air Force tells us… they don’t question your motives, but they do question the accuracy of the good deal of your information and for that reason they say you have been, and were they to — in a sense –throw open, an invitation to all people who sight UFOs, to get in touch with them once again, they’d get all kinds of cranks, hoaxers and so forth. And, you see, they run down every one of these sightings and it has cost them a tremendous amount of money, to no avail over the past few years.

KEYHOE: That’s what they told you.

WALLACE: That is what they told me. Now, sir, in a moment I’d like to ask you this: in the past few years millions of flying saucers enthusiasts have become excited about the stories of two men, George Adamski and Howard Menger; both of them claim to have seen flying saucers. Menger claimed to have been given a ride in one, by some creatures from Venus. Adamski says he’s chatted with a man from Venus in the California desert. I’d like to get your reaction to those stories. And we’ll get Major Keyhoe’s reaction in just sixty seconds.

(COMMERCIAL)

WALLACE: All right, Major, about George Adamski and Howard Menger, both men claim to have talked with men from Venus. Menger claims that he’s even taken a ride on a flying saucer. Do you believe them?

KEYHOE: No.

WALLACE: You think they are hoaxers?

KEYHOE: We do not accept any reports of these so called contactees without more evidence. We’ve asked them to submit their claims and take lie detector tests. We don’t throw them out, we simply say, “We’ll give you a fair chance.” I think that’s the least important part of the picture. The most important part is the weight of evidence from hundreds of competent people. I’d like to name a few: Captain Richard Case, American Airlines; Captain C.S. Charles, Eastern Airlines; Captain T. Kravitz, TWA; Robert Dickens, TWA; Colonel Don J. Blakesly, US Air Force, a wing commander. I could get down a list of, people who know what they’re doing and they’re still on duty, they’re still flying…

WALLACE: Major Keyhoe, what would you like to see done about flying saucers that is not currently being done? What steps would you like to see taken?

KEYHOE: I think the American people should write to their congressman and insist that open hearings be held by the Senate Committee… on the permanent committee on Government operations, which has been looking into this for six months.

WALLACE: An Air Force spokesman told us this last week, he said, “Members of the Senate Subcommittee have talked with us already and they have shown no interest in conducting any hearings on this issue.”

KEYHOE: I talked with the chief investigator within the last two weeks, I gave him a lot of information and I gave him data on one case, where an airliner was sent to chase one of these things and the passengers kept in ignorance of it at that time. That involves two government agencies, besides the Air Force, which has refused to release the report. And I’ll say this: if you were to get… if the Committee were to get Ruppelt, Major Fornay, several colonels, on that time, Major General Garland, who was on the project, there would be a big revelation because the Air Force is simply treating the American people like children. They don’t trust them with the facts.

WALLACE: You know here is an interesting, I think an interesting question, Major. The United States and Russia started sending satellites into the sky and we may be hitting the moon with a rocket soon, possibly Mars. You believe that creatures from other space have space stations on Mars? What’s going to happen when we start firing rockets at the moon or at Mars?

KEYHOE: That question has already been brought up. We expect to have a base on the moon within the next five years. It’s possible that there is a base on there. I don’t say that there’s any proof of it. I…

WALLACE: Is it possible we’re going to start an interplanetary war when we start sending our rockets to the moon and to Mars?

KEYHOE: In 1955, General Douglas McArthur said the next war would be an interplanetary war and we’d have to unite against people from other planets…

WALLACE: One last question, Major Keyhoe: Have you ever seen a flying saucer?

KEYHOE: I’ve seen and tracked on and radar, but I take the word of about 800 of the best witnesses in this country and abroad.

WALLACE: But, you yourself have never seen a flying saucer?

KEYHOE: I’ve just been a reporter, and a careful one.

WALLACE: Thank you very much, Major Donald Keyhoe. As you’ve just heard, the flying saucers controversy is deadlocked in contradictory statements and interpretation of facts. As for Major Donald Keyhoe himself, like most of us, he’s never seen a flying saucer, which may just make him like a mystic who’s never seen a ghost, but one must give him credit, he has much faith. In a moment, I’ll bring you a rundown on next week’s guest, one of the giants of the entertainment business.

(COMMERCIAL)

WALLACE: Next week, we go after the story of a giant in show business. You see behind me now, he’s Oscar Hammerstein II, who’s collaborated on some forty musicals including the Rodgers and Hammerstein classics “Oklahoma!”, “Carousel”, “The King and I”, and “South Pacific”, the last of which is soon to be released as a Hollywood film.

If you’re curious to hear Oscar Hammerstein talk about the changing face of show business, about the suggestion that his books and lyrics are naive and stickily sentimental. And if you want to hear Oscar Hammerstein discuss the controversial social and political beliefs that shape his day’s work, we’ll go after those stories next week. Till then, for Parliament, Mike Wallace, reminding you to help keep the Red Cross on the job for us. Give generously. Good night.

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Major Donald Keyhoe interview, 3/3

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Transcript 

WALLACE: Major Keyhoe, I understand you have three new reports on file which in your opinion… you have them currently on file, they’re new reports. These, in your opinion, would convince every person in this country that flying saucers are a fact. Is that correct?

KEYHOE: It should convince a lot of people because of the names involved.

WALLACE: Tell us about it.

KEYHOE: I told your interviewer or in Washington that I couldn’t mention the names because they were too high; one of them is a top scientist in this country, whose name would be known to everybody.

WALLACE: But, why wouldn’t he want his…?

KEYHOE: Because he’s afraid of official ridicule.

WALLACE: He’s afraid of official ridicule?

KEYHOE: That’s right.

WALLACE: More afraid of official ridicule than a possibly alerting the country to a serious national danger?

KEYHOE: You’d be surprised how many people give us reports and they say, “Please keep my name confidential.” I’ll give you one report which came to us, the name has to be left out. In 1951 a UFO circled the fleet in Korean waters. It circled it at a high-speed and they launched several planes to try to get a close in on it. They got a radar lock on it, that is the radar was guiding the planes toward the object. This was picked up by radars on fourteen naval vessels. This object circled about… oh, for a half an hour more and then it took off at a speed way over an excessive a thousand miles an hour.

This report was certified and nine members of our board of government saw it, signed it, and agreed that they had seen it, and agreed to the content, too. There is another report that just came in from four top missiles designers or engineers at one of the big plants in this country. They saw an elliptical shaped object and two small round disk shaped objects flying with it over California, November 11, 1957, at a speed of at least five thousand miles an hour. These men are well-qualified; they know what they see, with broad daylight, not a cloud in the sky. There’ve been cases, even where the Air Force has shot at these things. Now, if there’s nothing there and, they don’t exist, why do they shoot at them?

You mentioned Mr. Horner. The day after Mr. Horner said that the Air Force was not concealing anything, Captain Gregory Oldenburg, a public information officer at Langley Field, refused to let an ad be inserted in the Langley Base Flier… their newspaper, which asked that anybody interested in UFOs, please communicate and form a little group. He said, “I must refuse to do this, because the dissemination of information on UFOs is contrary to Air Force policy and Air Force regulation 200 dash 2 and I have a copy of it here, in case you want to see it.

WALLACE: Well, Major Keyhoe, I must say that the Air Force tells us… they don’t question your motives, but they do question the accuracy of the good deal of your information and for that reason they say you have been, and were they to — in a sense –throw open, an invitation to all people who sight UFOs, to get in touch with them once again, they’d get all kinds of cranks, hoaxers and so forth. And, you see, they run down every one of these sightings and it has cost them a tremendous amount of money, to no avail over the past few years.

KEYHOE: That’s what they told you.

WALLACE: That is what they told me. Now, sir, in a moment I’d like to ask you this: in the past few years millions of flying saucers enthusiasts have become excited about the stories of two men, George Adamski and Howard Menger; both of them claim to have seen flying saucers. Menger claimed to have been given a ride in one, by some creatures from Venus. Adamski says he’s chatted with a man from Venus in the California desert. I’d like to get your reaction to those stories. And we’ll get Major Keyhoe’s reaction in just sixty seconds.

(COMMERCIAL)

WALLACE: All right, Major, about George Adamski and Howard Menger, both men claim to have talked with men from Venus. Menger claims that he’s even taken a ride on a flying saucer. Do you believe them?

KEYHOE: No.

WALLACE: You think they are hoaxers?

KEYHOE: We do not accept any reports of these so called contactees without more evidence. We’ve asked them to submit their claims and take lie detector tests. We don’t throw them out, we simply say, “We’ll give you a fair chance.” I think that’s the least important part of the picture. The most important part is the weight of evidence from hundreds of competent people. I’d like to name a few: Captain Richard Case, American Airlines; Captain C.S. Charles, Eastern Airlines; Captain T. Kravitz, TWA; Robert Dickens, TWA; Colonel Don J. Blakesly, US Air Force, a wing commander. I could get down a list of, people who know what they’re doing and they’re still on duty, they’re still flying…

WALLACE: Major Keyhoe, what would you like to see done about flying saucers that is not currently being done? What steps would you like to see taken?

KEYHOE: I think the American people should write to their congressman and insist that open hearings be held by the Senate Committee… on the permanent committee on Government operations, which has been looking into this for six months.

WALLACE: An Air Force spokesman told us this last week, he said, “Members of the Senate Subcommittee have talked with us already and they have shown no interest in conducting any hearings on this issue.”

KEYHOE: I talked with the chief investigator within the last two weeks, I gave him a lot of information and I gave him data on one case, where an airliner was sent to chase one of these things and the passengers kept in ignorance of it at that time. That involves two government agencies, besides the Air Force, which has refused to release the report. And I’ll say this: if you were to get… if the Committee were to get Ruppelt, Major Fornay, several colonels, on that time, Major General Garland, who was on the project, there would be a big revelation because the Air Force is simply treating the American people like children. They don’t trust them with the facts.

WALLACE: You know here is an interesting, I think an interesting question, Major. The United States and Russia started sending satellites into the sky and we may be hitting the moon with a rocket soon, possibly Mars. You believe that creatures from other space have space stations on Mars? What’s going to happen when we start firing rockets at the moon or at Mars?

KEYHOE: That question has already been brought up. We expect to have a base on the moon within the next five years. It’s possible that there is a base on there. I don’t say that there’s any proof of it. I…

WALLACE: Is it possible we’re going to start an interplanetary war when we start sending our rockets to the moon and to Mars?

KEYHOE: In 1955, General Douglas McArthur said the next war would be an interplanetary war and we’d have to unite against people from other planets…

WALLACE: One last question, Major Keyhoe: Have you ever seen a flying saucer?

KEYHOE: I’ve seen and tracked on and radar, but I take the word of about 800 of the best witnesses in this country and abroad.

WALLACE: But, you yourself have never seen a flying saucer?

KEYHOE: I’ve just been a reporter, and a careful one.

WALLACE: Thank you very much, Major Donald Keyhoe. As you’ve just heard, the flying saucers controversy is deadlocked in contradictory statements and interpretation of facts. As for Major Donald Keyhoe himself, like most of us, he’s never seen a flying saucer, which may just make him like a mystic who’s never seen a ghost, but one must give him credit, he has much faith.

 




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